Unwrapping the 'When Then Lie'

Ever found yourself saying "I'll do it when..." only to realize that when never comes? Join us as we unwrap the 'when then lie' in a heart-to-heart that hits close to home. We share candid stories, including our own Italian pastry escapades, and reveal how such sweet distractions can derail us from our deeper callings. Our conversation ventures into the power of community and faith to propel us forward, challenging the chains of procrastination and embracing the courage to step into the full potential of our God-given mission and purpose.

Approaching life's transitions, like retirement, can be a rollercoaster of emotions fraught with anxiety and fear of financial insecurity. In this episode, we don't shy away from the hard truths. We reflect on the emotional and spiritual complexities and how faith can guide us through aligning our desires with something greater. It's a raw look at the struggles we face and the importance of leaning into counsel and discernment, as well as identifying and understanding the emotions that come with these pivotal moments. Together, we learn to welcome these feelings as guides on our journey to purpose and fulfillment.

As our session draws to a close, we impart a message of hope and encouragement to take that leap of faith, with a reminder that sometimes, the help we receive comes in forms we never expected. Discussing the hard choices, like ending toxic relationships, we highlight the value of a support system that includes friends, family, or a spouse. We leave you with an invitation to engage with us as part of the Foxhole Symphony community, sharing in our collective growth, and perhaps even inspiring an episode with your own story of transformation.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:08

Welcome to Foxhole Symphony, a podcast about the transformational value of men in authentic community.

Speaker 2: 0:14

And our Foxhole men are equipped to build relationships that foster belonging, accountability and growth.

Speaker 1: 0:20

Stop believing the lie that you can thrive in isolation and instead join us on the journey for broken to whole.

Speaker 3: 0:27

Hello everyone. They call me the maestro, and we are back in the Foxhole where we actively pursue belonging, accountability and growth through authentic relationships. No masks, no agendas, just iron, sharpening iron, stephen Marker, in the Foxhole today and the door is locked. I smell cannolis. I'm not sure how they're going to tie Italian pastries into this episode, but I gotta find the key. Grab a cappuccino, open your favorite notes app and settle in. Let's do this.

Speaker 2: 1:00

Hey, welcome back to Foxhole Symphony podcast. I'm Sarge here with Mark, my good friend and co-host.

Speaker 1: 1:05

Hey brother, that you almost caught me off guard with that one. That was fast.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Hey, forget about it. We are full speed. Italians, FSIs right, let's go.

Speaker 1: 1:15

I'm using my own words again. Yes, folks. So I did get up early on the Saturday before Christmas this year no matter when this is airing and drove 30 minutes to my favorite Italian deli and loaded up two big brown bags of yummy, oily garlicky love.

Speaker 2: 1:32

And I saw a picture that you sent our little Foxhole of a tasty little treat on wax paper in the passenger seat. I'm hoping you didn't eat it. I'm hoping it was for somebody else.

Speaker 1: 1:43

Well, I don't know if you noticed, I showed you the picture angle of there was a bite taken out of it already. That cannoli didn't last.

Speaker 2: 1:51

It looked phenomenal. Dude, it's phenomenal. That should be the image for this episode.

Speaker 1: 1:55

I think I'm such a such an Italian bakery snob that I normally will not buy cannoli unless the shells and the filling are separate. Oh, absolutely I want to see it piped in fresh. Antonio K and S owner said to me made him this morning six, 30 and I'm looking at my watch going 930 three hours. Okay, all right, I said, I said you, and I couldn't have even have the heart to say no. Could you squeeze me out a few freshies?

Speaker 2: 2:23

So I, just so I they're fresh.

Speaker 1: 2:25

They're fresh because you know that, you know they had 50 of them piled up and it felt a little guilty. But after the gal was done I was like, and I'll have one of those speaking of guilt Now you know.

Speaker 2: 2:34

I was in the food business many, many moons ago, a couple of decades ago, and you know I mean full, you know bakery, butcher shop. So I would, I would be hiding in the walk in refrigerator in the bakery at times at times. Here's my confession with a fresh bag of cannoli cream just for a little. You know, when I did low energy, I need to right in the mouth Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 3:04

Oh my God, no shell. That's so me. No shell needed, you, don't need a shell.

Speaker 2: 3:09

Right in the mouth. Oh my God, delicious. I get tasting now. Anyway, I know that I've loved you for so long. We have gone down a bad road.

Speaker 1: 3:18

No, no, no, wait, come on. This is a good holiday rabbit hole, even for our friends in January, February, whenever the same.

Speaker 2: 3:24

That's true. Well, happy new year. Thank you to you and everybody listening. What better way to start the year than to just get honest? Yeah, Right, and so not that we haven't been. Yeah, Well, like I said, I like cannoli confessions. Here we're going to, we're going to change the name of the podcast the cannoli confessions. I like that, full speed. I tell you that's all right, Kids, kids. So we had a devotional. Come across our email, Shout out Justin camp, a wire devotional for men gather ministries.

Speaker 2: 4:02

Yep, so and and we both got it, you know, of course, separately and I sent you a note and I'm like Whoa, this one stings a little we got to talk about this and you had said, you had said, oh no, it's in an email folder. You know tags for the podcast, this is something. This is a topic we got to talk about.

Speaker 1: 4:23

Right.

Speaker 2: 4:25

So, and the topic is the when then lie.

Speaker 1: 4:29

Right, justin called it the pernicious loop, which probably scared a lot of people off because, like most of us, other than it's pretty obvious, pernicious means bad in some way. I think I read porcupine because it hurts so bad. Right, so right.

Speaker 2: 4:42

The when then lie is what he's talking about you want to explain it to us, and pernicious for those of us listening, like me, that had to look it up. What does pernicious?

Speaker 1: 4:50

mean? It means a subtle and gradual deterioration. Basically something going bad, but it's like veiled.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Yeah, right, that's the word I would use. Sounds like the work of the enemy to me. Right Woo Right.

Speaker 1: 5:04

Okay, so it could be joyful or light filled.

Speaker 2: 5:08

No, it's the fact that it's a loop Right, just this gradual loop that just takes you slowly but surely downward.

Speaker 1: 5:19

And dude. For me that see, that's that spiraling downward metaphor makes sense, but for me, the when, then lie loop is just that yeah, because if I break it, yeah, I always find myself coming back to it. My fear gets in the way.

Speaker 2: 5:36

Well, there it is right. So I mean, we just jumped right to the end of the story, which is sorry you know, no, I mean it's that, by the way there is no story Exactly. But this is where the rubber meets the road. What is it that keeps us from stepping out in faith, from courageously being obedient to the Lord, for pursuing what? What you know may be a calling on our lives for whatever right, serving, giving radically. You know whatever it is right, and usually it is fear.

Speaker 1: 6:09

Right, Let me back up half a click. Sure, the when then lie for those. I'll use it in a sense when I save enough money, then I can start to tithe. When I gather up enough vacation days at work, then I can look into going on a missions week, missions trip, etc. Those are quick examples. In my life and for me it's always been about when I have enough save for retirement, I can do blank. There it is.

Speaker 2: 6:37

It's the enough word, right, so the, the, the. The pernicious loop is when I have enough, fill in the blank. So what's your blank when you have enough? What time, money, talent, right.

Speaker 3: 6:50

Treasure skills right.

Speaker 2: 6:52

Like, whatever. I mean, it's time, talent, time, talent, treasure, right? So what one of those three, which is it for you? When I have enough of this, then I'll do what God might be calling me to do or, very clearly, is calling you to do. Yep, so, and this gets in the way, it gets in the way, it gets in the way of our growth, it gets in the way of the, the enormous blessing that God has for us on the other side, that we just can't see yet, right? And you know, I think of you, know the disciples, I think of you, know the early disciples, right? You know the fishermen, you know, when I mean come on, right, I mean, what does it look like for you to step out of the boat? What does it look like for you to leave your nets and walk away from your, from your career, to go follow him? And these are things like okay, yeah, that was, that was good for them. Times have changed.

Speaker 1: 7:53

Right, but, dude, thank, I gotta grab that. It's just tiny tangent, but I'm thinking of the chosen and Peter. His when then lie was when I catch enough fish, yeah, then I can go tell my wife and brother that I'm out of Hawk, right, yep. And then. And then God can have me, yes, right. And Jesus standing on the shore in that show is looking at Peter and he says come, and Peter's like I've got a fish. I fished all night. I caught nothing.

Speaker 2: 8:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:23

And Jesus looks down at the sand with his toe and he makes a little line in the sand and I I know it like it's happening in front of me and he has that look on his face like all right, peter, I'm going to give you your fish.

Speaker 2: 8:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:35

And then I'm going to tell you about the make fishers of men.

Speaker 2: 8:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:39

And so Peter almost sinks his boat with fish Right, and he's like I'm going to put my fish on his knees and says, but that's that's even part of this story is what has to happen in our lives. What's the catalyst where we finally say, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 8:51

I'm yours. And here's the thing how much is enough? So, whatever, the blank is enough, what? How much is enough? And therein lies the loop, because it's never enough. It's never going to fix everything, it's never going to solve all your problems, it's never going to bring you the joint piece that you're looking for, it's not going to never dry.

Speaker 2: 9:13

Well, it's never going to provide all the safety and security that you want. It's never going to pride all the provide, all of the, the approval, the steam, affection, affirmation and intimacy that you, that you need. It's never going to provide the power and control that you're longing for. It's not, dude, get out of my heart so you're right in my chest right now.

Speaker 2: 9:34

Right. So what is the need that you're trying to fill and how much is enough? That's what lies at the root of the when, then lie, and the only way to break out of that pernicious loop is to identify those things. What is the wound and the greatest need? Is it safety and security? Is it a steam approval and affection? Yep, is it power and control? Or maybe some combination of those? And then and then, how much is enough? When are you finally going to feel safe and secure enough that you can go do X for the Lord? When are you finally going to feel filled up with a steam approval? Not, we've got to deal with those separately. Welcome them, welcome them. Whatever that need is. Whatever that wound is, welcome it, find healing, turn it over. And then, what is God calling you to? What is God calling you to? So these are the, these are the three pieces Wow, for me that really jump out at the root of the when. Then, lie.

Speaker 1: 10:37

First of all, I think you just did 12 steps in 30 seconds. This is great, right, Because the concept of welcoming a wound is so anti. What a man is anti. What I'm born for, right, just just, and I've done it now Thanks to Mark Mann. I really had an eye opening experience 12 and a half years ago now, yes, where those wounds become obvious. And then there are others, right, yeah, we focus on five there, but there are others. And Accepting those, I think you said welcome.

Speaker 2: 11:14

Welcome them because because it alleviates the resistance. Right, that's it right. It alleviates the resistance that actually causes us to be toxic and to stay wounded. So, by by keeping it at arm's length, we actually stay there.

Speaker 1: 11:33

And I and I hope you know folks can relate to that I can only just personally Realizing that it wasn't the end of the world. To be wounded was a big step. Mm-hmm, like just acknowledging these wounds and going. You know, for instance, this one was, you know, I didn't anger, wasn't my thing.

Speaker 2: 11:53

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 11:54

Yet I, yet I broke something.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Yes, and not not only acknowledging it, but again the welcoming at home and and you know Chris Bruno talks about this a little bit in sage Michael Cusick and Pete Ziremba, you know Peter Z, talk about it on the restoring the soul podcast. I mean, this is you know it's Mark Men stuff. It's by welcoming at home we're not saying like, you know, this, this is, we're not celebrating it, no, we're not celebrating it, but we're giving Couple of things, we're giving God permission to use it by welcoming at home. And then we're also Moving beyond the, the self loathing Attitude toward it. Right, that's only directed towards ourselves. Right, that keeps us stuck In a place of woundedness and, as you know, chris Bruno talks about, in one of these, you know, the wounded man or the Falak man or whatever. You know those, those initial stages of manhood that we go through in the first half of our lives and then getting stuck there, right? So, and therein lies the loop, correct?

Speaker 1: 12:59

Yeah, correct.

Speaker 2: 13:00

So, and then, of course, that woundedness ties right into the lies, that we begin to tell ourselves that you know well, well, when this happens, right, or when I this, or when I get this, or when I accomplish this, that you know again the enough, the allure of enough, just like the illusion of control.

Speaker 1: 13:21

It's the, it's the allure in the illusion of enough once I became aware and and and acknowledged the wounds and welcomed them, it quickly became obvious to me that I could not deal with him by myself. Right, I Don't know, that that's which is the scary part.

Speaker 2: 13:41

Yeah that's the scary part, because all of a sudden, you know what does it do. Brings us to a place of surrender, right I?

Speaker 1: 13:48

can't do, I can't fix this and I and just to be abundantly clear, I meant I needed Jesus at that time, but I also needed brothers around me to speak truth into me. Without that, my loop just Dizzying. Yeah, the amount of years I spent lying to myself, right, yeah, and still do in some cases. To be brutally honest, yeah, you know, I'm in a stage of life of of From years perspective, where you know exit strategy, like exit from the world of work to something fun or Something more fulfilling, something more God-oriented things like that. That's where I find myself. Yet I enjoy my job and the people I work with. So I'm in, I'm in a little twisted spot at 64 years old. Yeah, for me, yeah, but I still have the lies.

Speaker 2: 14:36

Yeah, and so much of this is financial. I don't think it's all financial right, but so much of it is big one. Yeah, I mean it's it's huge right, because it's just it's what we spend most of our life doing. Is, you know, building? Building a nest egg ladder, climbing right ladder, climbing the ladder building the nest egg. So that will have what enough to Do. Whatever it is we want to do with our retirement play golf, sit on the beach, sail around the world, whatever right or. You know, or our toys.

Speaker 2: 15:07

You know, how, what's the next toy? How?

Speaker 1: 15:10

the next car, the next, whatever you know, house mansion so right now I have a voice in the back of my head with the 15th person who has said to me in the last three years you look pretty healthy. What do you? Know, are you prepared to live another 20, 25 years Financial? You right, yeah you're like no right, exactly, I go up about four octaves of fear, that that is a stake in my heart of fear.

Speaker 1: 15:41

Yeah, oh my gosh like I'm hard to stay in shape and then I'm gonna run out, I'm gonna outlive my money, oh, dude, yeah, I'm right, right, folks, if you could see the looks that were given each other. That's so real in my life right now, sure so again, the fears.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Right? What are the fears? What are some of your greatest fears? He's a, he's a loving father that provides, you know, for us. And, and yet again I think he's calling us out of the boat. He's calling us out in faith and you know, obedience in so many areas, and For some of us it's it's. It might feel like a monumental step, but really it's just a small, incremental step. And for others of us he's saying give up, give up everything, give up everything, you know. And so I don't think it's one size fits all, but I know he's at work in our hearts and our lives and on the other side of all of it he's doing things. I think where I start to trip up is is this all in my own sick head? Am I just making this stuff up, or is this really you Lord? Is this really your voice, or am I just because I'm pretty you?

Speaker 1: 16:50

know You're creative.

Speaker 2: 16:51

Radical. I was gonna say Like I'll jump off the mountain. Sure, you know, let's do this, christina. Right, you know, and so again, wisdom, discernment, you know wise counsel, you know the word listening, and so you know, that's where, for me, it's, like, you know, 10 weeks of, you know, seeking the Lord's face and hearing over and it'll be thumping me over the head.

Speaker 1: 17:22

Right and it'll be more clear. You need to work on the beach in the dark and I'm like.

Speaker 2: 17:25

But if you could just show me Right, and really what I'm saying is not, show me what you want me to do, show me the result, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:35

Later. You want the end equation.

Speaker 2: 17:36

I need the, I need the Absolutely, to see exactly how this is gonna play out, because it was just way too scary For me.

Speaker 1: 17:43

There's a healthy desperation required. That turn to God for me is when I think of Peter coming out. You said he calls us out of the boat. Peter came out of the boat in desperation. That story, if you read the front and the back and the beginning and end of it, is more about him wondering where Jesus is in his life and challenging Jesus. And I find myself doing that a lot of mornings, unfortunately. It's a confession, there's a cannoli confession for you. There it is, but that healthy desperation. And it's healthy because if I don't go there, call it surrender, I guess. But I've got to work it through in my head to such an extent that I'm desperate for an answer.

Speaker 2: 18:29

I'm desperate to know what might this look like if I make this move at work and that's where, like, I think, we've got to get, not just with other brothers, and I think that's really important We've talked a little bit about this, but I think, in solitude and spend time really just talking and, more importantly, listening to the Lord and actively waiting on him and examining our hearts. You know what? Because when we face these things, when we face these decisions, when we face you know it might be getting married, right these huge decisions in our lives, you know, buying a house, you know, even if you know, for young people, going to the college, where are you gonna go, you know where you end up makes a big, it's a huge decision, right. You know, at the end of the day, identifying the emotion. So you know, what is it that we're feeling? Is it angst, anger, frustration? You know. Is it fear? Is it shame? You know, from making a bad decision before, you know, whatever, right, what is that?

Speaker 2: 19:40

Identifying it, feeling it, welcoming it and then spending time in it, saying Lord, where is this coming from? Where do I need healing? What is it that you wanna do in my heart here, through this journey and this process? Because God is in it, the calling. It's not all for naught. It's not all for the result or the fruit or what's on the other side. It's the journey, it's the process that he brings us through where something might need to die, or something might need to be pruned, or something might need to be rebirth. And these are the things that he does in our hearts as we wrestle with these things, if and when we come to the end of ourselves and actually allow him to do it. Surrender, surrender.

Speaker 1: 20:32

Wow, yeah, that's a deep pool.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Well, it is, and it can feel like such suffering. Right and it might be. There might be some suffering, there might be some grieving that needs to happen, there might be some. You know, there's all kinds of things that happen there.

Speaker 1: 20:48

Yeah, but that process you're talking about is a word you and I love is marinate, because we love marinated things. But that's what you're doing, right, you're talking about marinating, just sitting in that Just resting there with God. I feel awful right now because I feel I'm so bad at that, like we should be grateful for those seasons as painful as they can be. I was gonna say that isn't my first reaction and I'm guessing for many. But you're right, we should be and we can be, so we can be.

Speaker 2: 21:19

He can do that in our hearts.

Speaker 1: 21:22

I'm gonna read just a sentence and a half from the devotional. When it talks about the when, then lies. It says the lie wouldn't be so bad but for the behavior we rationalize and excuse with it, hoping it's true. Neglecting people we're meant to love. Disregarding people we're meant to serve. Ignoring people we're meant to rescue. Treating badly and taking advantage of people we're meant to encourage and support.

Speaker 2: 21:46

Yeah, yeah, because the whole cycle, the whole loop, is so dark and selfish and selfish that it leads to behavior that we rationalize in order to make ourselves feel better about the being stuck in the loop. Right? I mean like, whatever it is, well, my wife doesn't have enough sex with me. When my wife starts having more sex with me, then I'll stop looking at porn. When my employer pays me what I should get paid, then I'll stop stealing time from the company whatever.

Speaker 2: 22:28

I mean, those are a couple of maybe extreme examples, maybe not, I don't know. But what is it in your life?

Speaker 1: 22:35

Yeah, when mortgage rates go down, I'll stop cheating on my taxes.

Speaker 2: 22:39

Yeah, right, whatever Right.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Whatever, by the way, the when. I've just realized for me the when part of the when. Then lie the when is the goal, and I'm so grossly goal oriented that I rationalize the goals because it's. I forgot to check that box.

Speaker 2: 22:58

And here's the loop you do it, you achieve it and set a new goal. Exactly it's just. It's a never ending, which. Nothing wrong with setting goals and achieving them. Praise God, yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:10

I would just wanna give you a real life example. I think a good way to wrap this up for me in my head is to share with everybody a when then lie. I'm living today and it's work related, and the easiest way I can paraphrase it is to say when God shows me something better than what I have in front of me for work, then I'll go look at it. But I'm not dusting off my resume having in 20 years I'm not actively searching for another job, I'm being lazy, I'm just saying I like what I do. I'm compensated.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Well, I know in my heart there's something more for me. You've heard me say this now for several years. I feel like God still wants to use me. He's given me health and welfare and he's gonna put it to you somewhere and I do in small ways. But I think there's something bigger and I don't really know what it is. But when he tells me I might pivot. But the way I'm rationalizing it is I just don't slow down long enough and marinate long enough and listen, just shut up and listen for him to say I'm almost expecting one of you, one of my friends, to go hey, do you ever consider that's the lie? That's my when then lie right now and I'd like to break free from it.

Speaker 1: 24:30

I pray about breaking free from that, if only to look at what the options are. Where God says to me through somebody, through a song, through a Bible verse, through a moment of solitude, that, mark, stay right where you are. I mean that's obviously an option. Right, I want you to reach people internationally through the work that you do with your friends in India. That's an option that sounds too easy to me. I want something more. Charlton Heston, 10 commandments kind of thing, white hair or any hair.

Speaker 2: 25:02

Just some hair.

Speaker 1: 25:05

So that's one for me. I don't want to beat it to death.

Speaker 2: 25:08

So many of mine are tied to my kids and my family and they're welfare, it's a lot of it's safety and security. I've got to ensure their success. When my kids are financially stable and independent, right, Then I'll you know. Whatever, fill in blank, give more, Then I'll you know. Yes, yeah, I mean just all kinds of things right, pick one.

Speaker 2: 25:39

So much of it is tied to. You know the responsibility that I feel to. You know, be my kid's provider, so I mean my wife's provider, and and again, there's a certain responsibility to that and then, and then there's also a you know a place where it becomes unhealthy and an excuse. And you know I'm, I'm the sovereign provider rather than the Lord, right, and you know again what is. How do we define financially stable and independent?

Speaker 2: 26:17

right, I mean, it's just you know all again, all the loop is it's always something. It's always, it's always something. What's the next right? So yeah, I mean I would love to keep talking about this together. I would encourage everybody you know who's listening to examine the when, then lie in your own life. You know what, what are you rationalizing when, when, what aspect of your life are you saying? You know when this, you know then that and you know then, what do you need to do with that? What's the heart work look like and what is what God might want it? What might God want to do with that?

Speaker 1: 27:00

Justin says there's freedom available to us, freedom to enjoy the abundant blessings we've already been given, freedom to access true peace and true joy and true security right now, If we're willing to reject the lie and instead embrace the promises of our King Jesus Christ. He promised that our Father, God, will provide everything we need in any given moment. His provision just might not look how we think or hope it will. Let's just stay there for two minutes before we're done. Justin always reminds me. I remember the first time he did this to me, where he talked about having the fortitude and being brave enough to reach out to a brother and say I want to talk to you or I need to talk to you either to draw something from you that I've seen or to share something on my heart to seek authentic community.

Speaker 1: 27:54

And he always ended the paragraph about how important that was, that it was sustaining a godly life was impossible without community. But he always ends it by saying but watch out. Sometimes you'll reach out to somebody and it just won't go to where you think it's going to go. It might not be that lasting friend. It might be that a moment in time where you drop a lightning bolt on somebody and a relationship isn't born from that.

Speaker 3: 28:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:23

You know, it can be a not a scary place, that's the wrong word A challenging place, because God's plan might be for you to reach out to somebody and connect with people, but it's totally different than what you were expecting it to be. Justin is saying the same thing God's provision just might not look how we think it or hope it will. So I'm just saying eyes wide open.

Speaker 2: 28:47

Yeah, isaiah 558. His ways are not our ways. And yeah, and you know it's interesting, I'm thinking even about, you know, toxic relationships that might need to come to an end. You know that's a good point, like, well, you know, when you know when this, then then that you know, like I mean again, like you know, might might just require an enormous amount of courage and, again, all about restoration and reconciliation, but there comes a time where God might be calling you to step away because it's just not healthy or safe, and so all kinds of aspects to this. But, yeah, it's a great topic and want to encourage everybody to get with a brother or a sister or in a foxhole and talk about it. Talk about the women lies, the pernicious loops in your life.

Speaker 1: 29:49

Write them down, men. By the way, you've done a really good job this year. Thank you Of living out your word and phrase for the year. Maybe not every day, but I imagine you walking on the beach down south yeah, like you do and just looking back at the footprints in the sand.

Speaker 2: 30:06

Yes.

Speaker 1: 30:07

You know, in processing some of the things, you've had big, big things in your life. So I love you for that. Thanks for living that out, because it's a great example to the rest of us.

Speaker 2: 30:15

Thank you that, if you can slow down Seriously right, exactly, only by, not, this is true, only by the grace of God, Only by the grace of God.

Speaker 1: 30:24

So live out your dream, men, whatever, whatever it is women, just friends, please. Sarge is right Addressing this and understanding the wind then lie is an important step, and also so is, as we, as we are looking into a new year here together, that we have dreams and God wants us to dream and he wants to be in the middle of those dreams, but there are so many things that get in the way of those dreams, and don't let it. Find a friend, find a brother, find someone you can talk to, your wife. If that relationship is the kind where you can draw from it that kind of strength, do it. But it's a great time, it's never too late. You don't have to have a New Year's resolution. Be men of action, I think, is something we're called to do. So enjoy that ride.

Speaker 2: 31:09

Amen, All right Till next time. God bless you Peace.

Speaker 3: 31:15

Making deals with God. I've been there once or twice. How about you? You know those times when your heart is the most frantic, your emotions are the most volatile. I'm grateful that Mark gave the definition of pernicious Hearing. The words out loud, were intense. It's when something has a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way. I felt the weight of those words just settle down on my shoulders as I sunk into my seat. But, God, he makes a way for us to stop, to turn around, to settle our hearts, to calm our spirit, to embrace His truth and to walk in His light. My focus stop asking God to bless what I want and start thanking Him for helping me as I live out my life, trusting in the one who calls me Son. Lord, please continue to use this podcast to impact the lives of all who listen. I ask that you would bring hope and healing to each and every one of them, Lord. Meet them right where they are and reveal yourself to them like only you can do. In Jesus' name amen.

Speaker 2: 32:32

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